WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:14.320 This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3,846 from Monday 1 May 2023. 00:14.320 --> 00:20.520 Today's show is entitled, HPR Community News for April 2023. 00:20.520 --> 00:24.320 It is part of the series HPR Community News. 00:24.400 --> 00:30.000 It is hosted by HPR volunteers and is about 64 minutes long. 00:30.000 --> 00:32.800 It carries an explicit flag. 00:32.800 --> 00:40.360 The summary is HPR volunteers talk about shows released and comments posted in April 2023. 00:40.360 --> 00:47.720 Hello everybody, this is Dave Morris, calling from Edinburgh and this is the community news 00:47.720 --> 00:54.200 show and I'm first one to talk because Ken's not available today. 00:54.200 --> 01:01.880 I do have a long one with me and we need to sort of flag to say you speak next but no means 01:01.880 --> 01:10.200 of waving it at each other but yeah so runs along with me and we've got the usual process 01:10.200 --> 01:16.760 of reviewing the shows in the past month and having a look at the comments and anything 01:16.760 --> 01:22.440 on the mailing list which I can tell you ahead of time there's nothing here but anyway 01:22.680 --> 01:27.400 we will plow on so there are no new hosts we usually announce new hosts at this point 01:27.400 --> 01:36.440 when we're doing the show there aren't any sadly but there you go but we'll start with the first 01:36.440 --> 01:43.800 show of month which was the community news for March and we do have a comment on this social 01:43.800 --> 01:50.600 now click on and the comment is from Kevin O'Brien who entitled it updating your profile. 01:50.680 --> 01:55.400 I wanted to update my profile but I haven't discovered how to do it I could then add my 01:55.400 --> 02:02.040 master on account so it's Kevin it's yes let's obviously than it should be I always feel 02:02.040 --> 02:08.920 you need to send in a show you can see what we did there and as part of the form there's a place 02:08.920 --> 02:15.560 where you can adjust your profile and if you don't have one so that's really the way to do it 02:15.560 --> 02:23.000 but draw us Kevin to send in a show and he's extremely profligate with this show seems a little 02:23.000 --> 02:30.200 bit unfortunate so if the worst comes to the worst we can edit these things so I'm prepared to 02:30.200 --> 02:35.800 do the odd one or two if that's an easier way for anybody all right that sounds good I mean I think 02:35.800 --> 02:40.440 it is and it just makes things simpler while one there's the encouragement and two then we don't 02:40.440 --> 02:48.360 have to set up a whole profile log in and all the security things that come with it this way I mean 02:49.000 --> 02:55.720 yep it just keeps things simple yes maybe we need better indicators as to where to go to 02:55.720 --> 03:01.560 to do it maybe it probably is there's a pretty certain that we'll be there but you need to dig fairly 03:01.560 --> 03:08.760 deeply to find it I would guess so yeah we need to think about making it a little bit more obvious 03:09.720 --> 03:16.680 so moving on then to the next show three eight two seven which is a reply two three seven nine 03:16.680 --> 03:22.680 eight three seven nine I haven't actually checked see what that is this is some Brian and O'Hio 03:22.680 --> 03:28.120 responding to a show which mentioned slackware I think but I'm not quite sure 03:29.000 --> 03:36.040 yeah I think this he's responding to bootloader just quickly looking I'm going to do it 03:36.040 --> 03:42.840 there we go that's the next three seven nine eight is mechatroniac a show where he's talking about 03:43.560 --> 03:50.040 sending up a laptop and having some issues about doing so I think and there was comments about 03:50.040 --> 03:56.280 installing slackware anyway so you you I think Brian O'Hio is coming coming in to say 03:57.080 --> 04:05.240 it's there's some hints and tips about how to how to do it I am I'm trying to get myself organized 04:05.240 --> 04:11.320 here I had too many tabs open let me I'm now I've got the wrong one I'll be right back 04:13.240 --> 04:22.840 it's usually me that gets me tabs tied into not but okay so yes I think yeah he was 04:22.840 --> 04:30.040 um I think Brian's talks about bilo and e-lilo which is one of the original I think bootloader for 04:31.000 --> 04:35.880 yep and yeah so he's I think yeah for you right I think he's responding to a 04:36.440 --> 04:43.640 to those issues that they were having but setting up the laptop yep yep okay it's good if 04:43.640 --> 04:48.200 if you if you're interested in slackware this I'm sure there's some useful stuff that 04:49.240 --> 04:54.520 never wanted to try it myself but you know it is always a but day when you think ooh 04:54.680 --> 04:59.080 that laptop's sitting there and it's don't like what's running on it what shall I try and 04:59.080 --> 05:03.720 slackware might might be the thing that you would try so yeah worth knowing definitely definitely 05:03.720 --> 05:11.640 so next show is from some guy on the internet Scotty has he's of none but the 05:11.640 --> 05:19.240 another issue of the O'No news and this yep this is he said there's a turning out to be really 05:19.640 --> 05:26.360 very good actually highlighting various security issues and bits of news and so forth so 05:27.000 --> 05:32.840 yeah it's at least this is a good show format I think yes yeah he's doing a great job 05:32.840 --> 05:40.920 I'm really enjoying his O'No News and the the added audio effects or touches that he adds to them 05:40.920 --> 05:47.960 yeah I know he's having a great time isn't he? I like the O'No's in the in the background 05:47.960 --> 05:54.520 they're really yeah you know we do have one comment I can do it so Brian and O'Hio 05:55.080 --> 06:00.280 comments on the episode entertaining it's new that's entertaining I like it I think that was 06:00.280 --> 06:06.520 supposed to be news that's entertaining I like it yeah very good hey good that's certainly entertaining 06:06.520 --> 06:17.320 okay so next show was myself and Mr. X having a chat in recent past 06:18.040 --> 06:24.280 it seems it seems like a lot of time ago it was might see 11th I put it in the notes so we were 06:24.280 --> 06:30.920 what we've ended up doing is going to grab a lunch or late breakfast or something in a pub and 06:30.920 --> 06:35.720 and then since there's nowhere else to go and record stuff you can't really do in a pub there's 06:35.720 --> 06:42.760 too much ambient noise we're going to sit in in my car usually and and record stuff there so 06:42.840 --> 06:48.840 you were just chatting about a bunch of different topics that had come come up things we'd 06:48.840 --> 06:55.240 been doing things we plan to do and and that sort of stuff so yeah it's always a fun thing to 06:55.240 --> 07:00.840 to do I'm which I have I'm which fun it is to listen to it's fun to do and now I always enjoy them 07:00.840 --> 07:05.800 you too always have an interesting topics I mean to cover and always seem to have you know 07:05.800 --> 07:11.560 something going on especially Mr. X yeah he's he's for a guy who's got a really demanding job 07:11.720 --> 07:18.360 he always seems to have some some interesting thing to do or is doing on thinking about or developing 07:18.360 --> 07:25.080 or whatever yeah yeah so good we're planning another one before long so hopefully we'll get some 07:25.080 --> 07:29.720 good topics together for that yeah that's good I guess the only thing is you've had a word you 07:29.720 --> 07:37.080 wear where you park so you don't look too shady with you guys and a car talking in a microphone 07:38.040 --> 07:47.480 and the CIA what is going on here okay so the next show is from Oooka and it's entitled into 07:47.480 --> 07:54.040 New Mexico and a moving from they before within Arizona I think and then they moved on to 07:54.600 --> 08:02.280 New Mexico is that right and yeah these these good these are I love these I've said this every 08:02.280 --> 08:09.240 I don't think these sort of travel diary type of thing with lots of pictures as well if you 08:09.240 --> 08:16.840 you've gone dig into the flicker stuff it's I enjoy seeing people's holidays and vacations and 08:16.840 --> 08:22.600 stuff it's it's very cool which I could do some of these myself yeah it is it is nice and you know 08:22.600 --> 08:28.280 of course he has it like with his diary and everything it just makes it really a you know nice 08:28.280 --> 08:33.960 way to review it and multiple you know sort of aspects between the pictures and his narration 08:33.960 --> 08:38.920 and just all the places they've been able to visit yeah yeah yeah no it's it's good to be looking 08:38.920 --> 08:43.880 over the shoulder of somebody who's doing stuff like this it's good to him and good to him for 08:43.880 --> 08:51.480 having the the organisational skills to keep these these sorts of notes together you know that's 08:51.480 --> 08:57.480 that's very impressive often wanted to do that but never really done it to this level of 08:57.480 --> 09:04.200 sophistication yeah the same same here not I'm usually lucky to just get a organized and get there 09:04.200 --> 09:11.560 and then relax without adding the extra like I really should document I mean it's true you'd 09:11.560 --> 09:15.400 like to be able to go back and look is now you think back on things and you remember highlights 09:15.400 --> 09:21.640 but there's still probably a lot of details that just fade with you know time yep yep my 09:21.720 --> 09:28.280 son is a is a great traveler he and his girlfriend trying to go to lots of places 09:29.480 --> 09:34.520 I think they're trip to China was a little bit of a stretch but anyway that's quite a few years ago 09:34.520 --> 09:42.280 but they there was one year they went to Japan and they were keeping a log of everything with pictures 09:42.280 --> 09:49.800 on a google google drive thing or something for for us a lot at home and wow and must have 09:49.800 --> 09:55.320 make take them so much effort to do you know every time you come home from some mountain climbing 09:55.320 --> 10:00.040 exercises I'm going to sit down and write up stuff that you don't in stitch in all the pictures 10:00.040 --> 10:08.120 and things it needs great dedication that's really yes it does so the next one was some 10:08.120 --> 10:17.080 government internet again with another another show it were entitled introducing bumblebee 10:17.720 --> 10:26.200 a friend who is joining him on on the show so they were having some quite interesting discussions 10:26.200 --> 10:34.040 about all manner of things that they they'd come across on the internet quite a variety of things 10:34.680 --> 10:41.800 all beautifully annotated in the notes I should say but yeah this I found this quite fascinating 10:41.800 --> 10:50.440 and bumblebee sounds like quite an individual lots of things to say very bright and pleasant 10:50.440 --> 10:56.200 and an interesting to listen to so yeah cool yep definitely it brings a sort of I think like 10:56.200 --> 11:01.400 like a fresh pair of eyes to things you know after you've sort of been doing it for years and years 11:01.400 --> 11:05.880 you sort of have your view set and now you're seeing it through the eyes or somebody that you know 11:05.880 --> 11:10.200 obviously has some experience but it's still I feel you know sort of coming up to send the 11:11.320 --> 11:18.040 tech awareness and tech you know the how it works side of things yeah yeah yeah it's good to have 11:18.040 --> 11:24.040 have new eyes looking at on these things new new minds considering them and so on very very good 11:24.040 --> 11:30.040 just quite there were three comments on this one I'll take the first one from tray just great 11:30.040 --> 11:35.160 interview bumblebee thanks for sharing I look forward to hearing more from you in the future 11:35.160 --> 11:40.440 Scottie what a great interview I want I love this format of open discussion with the guests to get 11:40.440 --> 11:45.720 to know them and their perspective on the topics keep up the awesome work and second comment from 11:45.720 --> 11:50.760 Brian and Ohio liked it I like the interview hope to hear more of your conversations the shame that 11:50.760 --> 11:57.000 the cricket is still lockdown but there are great tools like in sync skate to make SVD files 11:57.080 --> 12:02.840 tech RPC Linux OS magazine lots of good campaigning in skate tutorials looking forward to when you 12:02.840 --> 12:11.400 become a slackware user mildly face emoji very good I felt motivated to comment on this one as a bit 12:11.400 --> 12:19.480 late listening to show so I was a bit behind the time so anyway I said excellent show I'm a bit 12:19.480 --> 12:24.360 late listening to it but this was most entertaining and interesting show I've always enjoyed 12:24.360 --> 12:29.240 shows with several people interacting and this was a good example of how to do it it's a great 12:29.240 --> 12:33.640 discussion as well as some insights into the cricket I've heard of these devices and have a door 12:33.640 --> 12:40.280 to who'd love to have one I'm not gonna happen just just now I'm here more of these types of shows 12:40.280 --> 12:46.760 please it's the finishing line I do believe your wish will be granted yes yes I happen to have a 12:46.840 --> 12:54.120 my crystal ball is telling me that might well come to me so next we have a show from mimics 12:54.120 --> 13:02.440 who has contributed to HP over four but not not often and he's a host on the Linux 13:02.440 --> 13:08.520 logcast so I do listen to that I don't know and he's talking about how I left Google behind 13:09.320 --> 13:16.360 and this this is pretty good actually I've followed this route myself to a small extent 13:16.440 --> 13:22.760 but I haven't managed to close down everything to avoid a fair bit he also hasn't closed down 13:22.760 --> 13:28.040 everything but he's done more work on the subject than I have I thought that was it was most 13:28.040 --> 13:36.120 interesting yes that's it's I read I've read different articles I know some other people 13:36.120 --> 13:41.800 on late night Linux have like do Google themselves completely and then I love like listening you know 13:41.880 --> 13:48.520 how Linux was going about it um I just it's like one of those things you look at you're like 13:48.520 --> 13:54.280 that would be great but it just feels so mind boggling overwhelming to actually start down that path 13:54.280 --> 14:02.120 because I have let Google weave itself into so many aspects of things that it's yeah oh you're quite 14:02.120 --> 14:08.280 right you're quite right yeah I I sort of think of myself sort of painting myself into into this 14:08.360 --> 14:14.680 smallest possible corner and then going ah how do I escape you know realizing which which of my 14:14.680 --> 14:20.440 limbs I've caught off as a consequence you know as it were it's it's it's it's worrying it's 14:20.440 --> 14:28.120 worrying that it is the case but it's and that you feel it would would be desirable to disengage 14:28.120 --> 14:35.320 totally but the consequences would not be good yeah but I guess that's how they get you yeah 14:35.320 --> 14:40.200 yeah probably would be good to start like taking something and working on you know some service or 14:40.200 --> 14:45.640 something that I can you know use less of so there's a there's one comment would you have 14:45.640 --> 14:51.160 thank you so much you want sure um and a comment from Brian and Ohio thank you great show 14:51.160 --> 14:56.840 minics keep them coming you might try new pie to watch your YouTube and on anonymously on Android 14:56.840 --> 15:02.600 yeah I didn't really follow that because I'm not not investing in the area at all but it's an 15:02.600 --> 15:08.120 interesting point to yeah I didn't look into it I wonder if it's something similar like you know 15:08.120 --> 15:13.400 whether you have the what is it for the the deal so what YouTube DL think is the name of the 15:13.400 --> 15:19.480 program unless you download the YouTube video to your hard drive on your laptop or computer and 15:19.480 --> 15:27.160 watch it that way yeah yeah I know while I've used it occasionally I tend not to not to want to 15:27.160 --> 15:34.120 watch things on a phone or whatever I just watch them you know through the through the web 15:34.120 --> 15:39.880 web browser mostly but yeah yeah I can see but it would be useful to be able to just to 15:40.520 --> 15:47.800 collect stuff and if you're traveling and you might not be in contact with the with good cell 15:47.800 --> 15:55.080 networks or while I fire whatever to be able to do that type of thing yeah good the next we have 15:55.720 --> 16:04.840 show from Ken Fallen and it's another one of the podcast recommendations series where Ken is 16:04.840 --> 16:13.160 recommending a software freedom podcast I think he said that he had been in touch with the the 16:13.160 --> 16:21.160 software freedom people while it froze them and realized that it was time that we had a proper 16:21.240 --> 16:28.360 reference type podcast to do them so yeah we heard episode 14 I think it was 16:29.240 --> 16:35.400 world of mesh networking and yeah I actually listened to the to the podcast 16:35.400 --> 16:40.600 from way behind with them I hadn't read that with this one yet but it was some yeah it's a great 16:40.600 --> 16:46.360 great podcast and they do they really good job so yeah excellent yeah it's nice and I think I had 16:47.000 --> 16:52.520 I think in the last year I'd started I actually already had it in my team their software 16:52.520 --> 16:58.280 freedom podcast so it's kind of you know cool that the both worlds were colliding like yeah yeah 16:58.280 --> 17:03.240 yeah it's good I mean it's easy to miss these things as you actually go out hunting for them 17:03.960 --> 17:08.760 or you get recommendations and stuff but you know I think it's a good thing that we on newspaper 17:09.400 --> 17:15.720 providing recommendations even if it's it's super close to too many people it will be some that 17:15.720 --> 17:23.320 will appreciate it I think yes I agree so next we had the episode five of the new year 17:24.040 --> 17:31.000 show recording and this one I've gotten how long these these these are being kept in a reasonable 17:31.000 --> 17:38.520 length so there's about two hours I see this particular one so yep so this is a continuation of obviously 17:38.520 --> 17:47.480 episode four and yeah I do enjoy these this one had it was as interesting as all of them I've heard 17:47.480 --> 17:55.320 but the some of the issues with mumble somebody had speakers in there the background or something 17:55.720 --> 17:59.720 because there was huge amount of echoing whenever they they keyed up I think they had pushed 17:59.720 --> 18:05.720 to talk we were whenever they they did the push the echoing came in and it made it really dreadful 18:06.040 --> 18:16.440 to listen to I found so I skipped a bit of it to avoid that because it mangled my brain 18:17.080 --> 18:25.720 I said that but yeah it was it I think but it kept me commented on by some of the the more 18:25.720 --> 18:30.760 experience podcasters on the on the show saying you know do something about it but I don't think 18:30.840 --> 18:38.760 anybody actually did fix it in the end so everybody started to think when that particular person 18:38.760 --> 18:45.000 keyed up they they tended to be quite so there was less chance of they're being echoed but I 18:45.000 --> 18:50.440 don't really you know exactly what was going on there but it does spoil it somewhat I think 18:50.440 --> 18:59.640 that message needs to be conveyed to next year's participants yeah but I mean I'm still new to 18:59.640 --> 19:04.680 sort of the group chat but it I mean audio is always one of those things that can be a real 19:04.680 --> 19:10.680 bugaboo to get right and then you know on top of then adding a bunch of people with varying levels 19:10.680 --> 19:18.120 of skill and varying setups and you know yeah it's never going to be perfect over a certain 19:18.280 --> 19:28.200 certainly true but it's in general it's good I think I'm getting about 80% to 90% 19:29.160 --> 19:35.160 good ratings on on these shows personally that's my sort of analysis of them so that's not a 19:35.160 --> 19:41.000 massive deal yeah I mean it is already amazing undertaking and like it was in this year's show notes 19:41.000 --> 19:46.920 have been incredible so yeah you know don't sort of slug through or skip it bits you at least have 19:46.920 --> 19:54.840 a lot of information still to read over absolutely absolutely it's yeah well I think we've 19:54.840 --> 20:01.160 congratulate the show note writers several times but yeah I think we could definitely do so again 20:01.160 --> 20:07.560 because it's a brilliant piece of work makes it a whole whole different experience I think so next 20:08.440 --> 20:18.440 we have archer 72 who is continuing work on his retro karaoke machine this is part two 20:18.440 --> 20:26.520 and subtex says archer 72 fixes misplaced belts and figures out what really happened so I've 20:26.520 --> 20:32.760 had to play and enjoy this episode yeah I do do enjoy these fascinated with the content 20:32.840 --> 20:39.400 how these things work and you know just see somebody who's got the skills to de-bug and fix them 20:39.400 --> 20:44.840 is it's pretty fascinating yeah yeah especially when you're dealing with all those rollers and belts 20:44.840 --> 20:49.880 and things yeah no I know it's a nightmare when you you're looking side one of these things 20:49.880 --> 20:58.120 of the first time you from a point of view of into inexperience it's quite scary but yeah it's it's made 20:58.760 --> 21:04.200 some good good headway with it I think so yeah he did actually fix it didn't yeah it doesn't say 21:04.760 --> 21:11.480 quite as much as that in the the notes with my my notes I say yes he did actually get it fixed so 21:11.480 --> 21:17.640 I made it work more reliably so uh I think he was cleaning up I think he still had some issues with 21:17.640 --> 21:22.040 it maybe like like when you see the picture he's putting his finger on it I can't remember I thought 21:22.040 --> 21:28.840 at the end we had a little bit of issue with it not latching or yes I'd say right you I know you 21:28.840 --> 21:36.600 say that I remember saying that so the location of the cassette was not to not ideal something was 21:36.600 --> 21:41.960 was broken maybe on the something should have been pressing it in probably it rigidly that was 21:42.680 --> 21:48.440 maybe not working but yeah it's it's amazing that we ever used us this sort of stuff and that 21:48.440 --> 21:57.000 so it's quite surprising that we've relied on on this strange mechanical stuff to listen to music and 21:57.000 --> 22:06.200 things so yeah I hope you'd to see so the next show was me again and I'm talking about a 22:06.200 --> 22:13.320 Linux tool called I don't know how you say this I'd be calling it zoxide it's as zed and followed 22:13.400 --> 22:18.280 by the word oxide I think I did work out that it's based on a thing that's written he just 22:18.280 --> 22:23.880 given the name of zed and was written in some language or other I'm not sure what uh and then 22:23.880 --> 22:30.680 they somebody rewrote it in rust so the oxide does that refer to that yeah that would say that's 22:30.760 --> 22:39.160 I rusty the rust yeah it's a pun it's a joke I've given a very American name of the zi 22:41.160 --> 22:47.240 yes I know I was bothered by not being able to to decide on how best to say it but anyway it's an 22:47.240 --> 22:54.200 alternative to cd but it knows things about where you've been so it can if you if you give it a 22:54.200 --> 23:01.240 partial directory name then it will work out where you're likely to want to go based on 23:01.240 --> 23:10.280 the data it hasn't and a sort of waiting scoring system and yeah for me it does does the job 23:10.280 --> 23:14.920 really really well and it's great for the least people like me who'd probably put the type 23:14.920 --> 23:21.720 great long directory names so thank you so very cool I haven't tried it yet but I do 23:21.720 --> 23:26.360 was definitely interesting I'm I still and then actually push the impopti I used it's like one of 23:26.360 --> 23:30.840 those things I cycle through and I used them for a while and then I forget about them tell somebody 23:30.840 --> 23:38.680 reminds me that they're there but uh this the oxide does sound very useful yes since I found 23:38.680 --> 23:45.640 it I've been using it constantly um occasionally forget but but even if you do if you type cd 23:46.600 --> 23:53.720 this this things to watch you and knows where you've been so were um yeah I find it to be 23:53.720 --> 23:59.480 be pretty pretty useful I don't know how I managed to to survive without it to be honest 24:01.160 --> 24:06.600 so yeah I noticed that the I think you pointed this out to me at some point and you are that the 24:06.600 --> 24:14.040 the way in which the show notes are shown they contain a bunch of unicode characters and they're 24:14.120 --> 24:20.360 being rendered rendered messily at the moment but I'm gonna comment upon this whole issue we get 24:20.360 --> 24:26.360 to the any other business but they translate so so if you if you're following along as you 24:26.360 --> 24:32.040 listen to this show don't be surprised that there's some apparent junk in the in the notes 24:33.240 --> 24:39.640 there is an issue that we are resolving at the moment so next we had we running very very low on 24:39.720 --> 24:47.240 shows but that particular time and there was a void opening up in front of us as far as shows 24:47.240 --> 24:55.880 were concerned and Ken used a couple of emergency shows to fill the two empty slots this was the 24:55.880 --> 25:03.160 first one which was from Mike Ray and it's called make a make a vortex cannon he's making a 25:03.480 --> 25:11.080 this device which can extinguish a candle at 10 feet he says so yeah good good stuff I think 25:11.080 --> 25:17.400 I've never done this but I've seen people do it and I was wondering quite impressive 25:17.960 --> 25:27.880 yeah that is a good show I am now thinking this might be fun to try to do with my girls or maybe 25:27.880 --> 25:32.120 for an upcoming birthday party or something so if you can blow out the birthday candles with a 25:32.120 --> 25:40.280 vortex cannon that would be fun yeah yeah one of the things about this Mike said to use a whole 25:40.280 --> 25:48.120 whole punch or whole cutter in the in the base of the the pringles can which is metal and I was thinking 25:48.120 --> 25:53.160 I'm quite sure what he means a suddenly realized that there was a point where we all had access 25:53.160 --> 25:59.320 to these things where you you drilled a hole you put a two part thing through it which was held 25:59.640 --> 26:03.800 the two halves of which were held with the bolt and they had cutting edges and you then 26:03.800 --> 26:09.560 you tighten the bolt and the and it's cut through the metal I've not actually done that myself 26:09.560 --> 26:14.120 I've seen people using it I don't know I may and they must still exist but I've never seen 26:14.120 --> 26:20.840 anybody use one of those since usually these uh holes saw type things I see people using 26:20.840 --> 26:26.200 not not good for this type of job though it'll even horribly ragged edge yeah I don't age 26:26.920 --> 26:31.720 yeah I don't even know if I've ever had a a whole punch that would be perfectly honest 26:31.720 --> 26:37.400 I think I had access to one when I was a student maybe and uh there was a workshop that we could 26:37.400 --> 26:43.320 use with all sorts of fancy stuff in and whole punch was definitely a thing I saw saw or used 26:43.320 --> 26:51.000 but never used myself um but yeah anyway it's just a just a think it's a sort of a device from 26:51.160 --> 26:57.080 from the past as far as I'm concerned it's so I do a good job yep I've forgotten who's turning 26:57.080 --> 27:01.800 it is to do the comments as one here is that I'll take it okay I've been doing a lot of 27:01.800 --> 27:08.200 brand in Ohio comment one for brand in Ohio intro the nice thing about an emergency show 27:08.200 --> 27:13.800 was hearing the original HBR intro music I like it so much better than the new intro music it seems 27:13.800 --> 27:18.360 like a lot of people most again the old and cool in parentheses better intro music don't 27:18.440 --> 27:28.520 produce shows go figure yeah yeah yeah there's a controversial statement yes yes it was quite nice to 27:28.520 --> 27:36.760 hear the old tune it did great a bit variety I think I mean when we were using that all the time 27:36.760 --> 27:43.160 it did get a little bit tedious I found but it was nice when people were rotating around the 27:43.960 --> 27:52.120 tunes but I don't want to give Ken more work in having a random tune selecterness necessarily so 27:53.320 --> 27:58.760 so it would be nice to have there in I think maybe if well once we get some other things 27:58.760 --> 28:04.920 taken care of maybe we can look I think the biggest problem people had was just trying to get the 28:05.800 --> 28:15.480 sound volume you know yeah and that I think you know we could have automated that a little bit 28:15.480 --> 28:21.800 made made of made that you know better for people and it found that not so annoying but yeah it was 28:21.800 --> 28:29.080 nice to hear the old old music yeah yeah I know one of the things I was involved with in the 28:29.080 --> 28:37.160 early days when I joined HBR as a janitor we weren't janitors in those days but anyway was to say 28:37.160 --> 28:43.880 can we not turn this thing down I think we reduced the volume on the audio that you could drop 28:43.880 --> 28:50.680 into your show and stuff but yeah because it was when you looked at the levels in a 28:50.680 --> 28:56.920 audacity or something the difference was frighteningly as a huge big step from the 28:56.920 --> 29:04.200 blaring intro and the the outro as well people said that they got woken up by the outro 29:04.920 --> 29:10.920 remember that which which you know that was just a certain serendipity there I guess I'm not sure 29:11.720 --> 29:18.200 very good so next we have the other emergency show and I mentioned this is John Colp who is 29:18.920 --> 29:27.880 recording an episode as he bikes to work I don't know if this proceeded he was he had 29:28.440 --> 29:37.560 constructed a reclining bike by fixing two two bikes pieces of frames together 29:38.200 --> 29:44.840 brazing him I think he hit it and yeah whether this was that bike I don't know I don't think he ever 29:44.840 --> 29:50.760 said but it was yeah it was good I don't like these these type of ambient things you're sorry 29:50.760 --> 29:55.640 go on so yeah now I don't I don't think he definitely didn't mention the reclining bike I think 29:55.640 --> 30:04.440 bigly rings a bell but I don't remember it exactly I remember it particularly because 30:04.440 --> 30:10.600 he yeah he had all he had a lot of images of the construction process and he had the one 30:10.600 --> 30:16.760 his home server and then he's server crashed and all of the pictures linked in from the show 30:17.000 --> 30:24.360 in the show I should say a failed we're failing so we managed he managed to recover all the 30:24.360 --> 30:32.920 pictures office is of the disc office server and I put them onto the HBR server as a sort of 30:33.480 --> 30:39.160 thing that you could scroll through I think I don't remember why I did no but yeah so I remember 30:39.160 --> 30:45.640 that one in quite a lot detail it he went to a huge amount of trouble to to get all the bits 30:45.640 --> 30:51.960 and and fix them together and make a reclining seeds and all this stuff looked really good amazing 30:51.960 --> 30:57.800 never ridden one of those plastic a bag and look for that I guess one thing at the so about this 30:58.360 --> 31:03.880 episode is I was just sort of getting you know getting settled to listen to this nice long bike 31:03.880 --> 31:08.680 ride to work and like I didn't realize he was only like two or three minutes away on this 31:08.680 --> 31:14.600 bike yes I know he said something like he couldn't go his normal route because the bridge was 31:14.600 --> 31:20.600 was out because he lives next to a river or a stream or something and he had to go the long way 31:20.600 --> 31:29.080 around but even the long way around was was pretty short a matter of minutes so yeah that's good though 31:29.080 --> 31:36.200 good it's nice to hear John's voice again on this on the HBR bagry and we had another show from 31:36.200 --> 31:47.640 March 72 this time ripping CDs from the terminal using command line stuff so yeah it's he's talking 31:47.640 --> 31:57.560 about an odd name I keep my eyes keep skipping over the name ABCDE she did explain I've lost the 31:57.560 --> 32:03.560 explanation but never mind but yeah it sounds like quite a cool thing for turning a year the 32:03.560 --> 32:12.360 order from a from a CD into a digitized form on on your your machine so yeah yeah now that it 32:12.840 --> 32:18.200 need little pull there's times now I wish I'd known about earlier back when I was converting 32:18.200 --> 32:25.800 some of my CDs and you know ripping them on to my disk yeah yeah I know it was never that easy 32:25.800 --> 32:33.400 to do there's not a thing called K3B or something if you were a KDE user I think I used that which was 32:33.960 --> 32:42.120 a reasonable gooey thing that you mounted the CD and then told it where to put stuff on how to 32:42.680 --> 32:52.440 name things and that sort of stuff but this one uses some one of these databases CDDB which is 32:53.240 --> 32:57.240 it's not a good new thing don't know much about it what was it called before I can't remember 32:57.960 --> 33:06.440 I think originally there was music rings oh that's right yeah then they you know closed down you 33:06.520 --> 33:13.080 you know you'd like to need a subscription now to use it it's not quite as open and out there 33:13.080 --> 33:21.720 so there's the yeah the the new db.org I guess it's now what he's using yeah yeah which is which is 33:21.720 --> 33:29.720 pretty cool if that's available anyway yeah nice because it can can make the whole process of converting 33:29.800 --> 33:36.200 a CD a lot more straightforward in that you get all of the proper track names and that's sort of 33:36.200 --> 33:41.480 stuff which may not be in the visible in the CD it's only certain formats that where that would 33:41.480 --> 33:48.760 be the case isn't it yeah yeah I think there are yeah particularly for CDs but yeah sorry 33:49.720 --> 33:57.480 but yeah it does make it much nicer I spent a lot of time typing in album names and track names 33:57.560 --> 34:04.200 and artist names when I was first doing conversions yeah yeah yeah I think I used I've been a 34:04.200 --> 34:11.080 KD user for a long time there was a tool called Amarok in the earlier days of KD and I think it 34:11.080 --> 34:18.200 did actually do various searches to find out the names of of tracks and stuff and you know track 34:18.200 --> 34:23.400 ordering and all that sort of stuff but I think it had to you had to configure it up to point to 34:24.200 --> 34:30.440 whatever the things were maybe not music brains but there was a thing called CDDB was there 34:30.440 --> 34:36.760 so it's like the generic name for these things I don't know sounds familiar yeah it's been a while 34:37.720 --> 34:44.280 yeah same here but yeah there's this sounds really good those good things to know about so 34:44.280 --> 34:51.400 no comments on that one next show is from Huka playing the original civilization and he gives hint 34:51.400 --> 35:00.840 on playing that game and it's the origin of the civilization hierarchy of games I guess yep yeah 35:00.840 --> 35:06.600 it sounds like this was he was talking from the original games but early original game it's been 35:06.600 --> 35:10.840 and then how they sort of some of them evolved as particularly with some of the commands you could do 35:10.840 --> 35:18.840 yep I think he's got more shows on this subject further on down or yeah well anyway there's a 35:18.840 --> 35:24.280 bunch around this particular subject whether they preceded this or follow it I can't remember but 35:24.280 --> 35:30.440 yeah cool cool it's always good to know about these things not things that it makes me want to 35:30.440 --> 35:38.040 play it personally but then I'm not much of a game player so I'm no and no he odd stick at all so 35:38.760 --> 35:44.840 I'm right there with you Dave we were definitely not I think the people to be doing 35:45.320 --> 35:53.720 reviews of game no no no yeah I'd be I'd be turning people away in droves I think if I tried that 35:53.720 --> 36:01.560 so comments pretty sparse but the next one is from Scotty and bumbley I think they've got another 36:01.560 --> 36:09.240 edition of the Ono news and they're talking about ransomware in addition to the US Marshall's 36:09.320 --> 36:17.080 service amongst other things yeah yeah that's another another good episode I mean you always 36:17.080 --> 36:22.600 know ransomware is going on you just never think about like all the places you know that they're getting 36:22.600 --> 36:28.040 hit and all the various you know not only from you know you're a personal computer to your 36:28.040 --> 36:35.640 healthcare provider to your local government yeah yeah I could not understand back in the day 36:35.640 --> 36:43.800 as Windows was starting to become I got back quite a long way but you know Windows 3.1 was 36:43.800 --> 36:52.440 leading onto whatever else and how it was that everybody was running in administrator mode because 36:53.240 --> 36:58.600 if you didn't you were you couldn't do half the stuff that you needed to do and as a consequence 36:59.240 --> 37:06.280 things like opening a link in an email would cause bits of software to grab the privilege 37:06.280 --> 37:14.200 and rip your system apart why is that still the case I don't something I'm missing here is it just 37:14.200 --> 37:20.360 there's no incentive to to make it any better I thought Windows had been improved in terms of this 37:20.360 --> 37:26.280 sort of stuff but is it still an issue that you just click on a thing and bam you you've got ransomware 37:26.360 --> 37:33.560 level of you healer environment I mean it's definitely getting better I mean I think like particularly 37:33.560 --> 37:39.080 the latest versions of Windows you know it doesn't even you know audit if I think generally creates 37:39.080 --> 37:45.880 you know has you create a regular user I mean with ransomware it can still be you know particularly 37:45.880 --> 37:51.880 I guess a like a business or you know something where there's a bunch of users and they have to 37:51.960 --> 37:57.000 have access to certain resources so if somebody you know if even if it's not encrypting the whole 37:57.000 --> 38:02.600 file system it's still encrypting you know it's getting into their data and if it's data you need 38:02.600 --> 38:07.000 for your job you know that a lot of people didn't need access to that same data you still end up 38:07.000 --> 38:12.040 with that you know even if it doesn't take down the whole system it gets through all the data 38:12.040 --> 38:19.800 that everybody needs to do to do the business not necessarily just you know the operating system 38:20.520 --> 38:25.800 yeah see where you're coming from yeah yeah so if it's something that you have right access to 38:25.800 --> 38:31.240 even though you're not privileged then it could and it's a shared resource then it could grab 38:31.240 --> 38:37.080 it and encrypt it so you'd have thought that there would be ways in which you could limit 38:37.080 --> 38:43.640 an access on limit the right right ability or you know have permissions on on various bits 38:43.640 --> 38:49.000 having worked in the university where we were always paranoid about students who tended to be fairly 38:49.080 --> 38:58.840 smart again into things and destroying stuff we always tried to have as many whatever they were 38:58.840 --> 39:05.480 policies or whatever that restricted access to only those areas that that were relevant to the 39:05.480 --> 39:12.520 the student some work and stuff but I don't know I wasn't involved with that as a the Linux guy 39:13.160 --> 39:20.200 one of the Linux team so yeah I was just observing but well I think people are becoming more 39:20.200 --> 39:26.840 more aware of you need to you know do push that least you know least permit least permissions 39:26.840 --> 39:31.960 down the stack a little farther I think there's sort of leftovers from that well I'm not running 39:31.960 --> 39:37.000 as root so it must be okay so I'm not really going to worry about how do I need read only 39:37.000 --> 39:44.600 permission or read rate permissions I mean I don't know I know now I don't know enough about 39:44.600 --> 39:51.720 it really but it just puzzles me that things are so well have been so wide open in the past 39:52.440 --> 39:58.840 and and it's been incredibly slow process to to make the most secure over the years 39:59.960 --> 40:06.840 it just seemed to seem ridiculous the assumption that opening an email could devastate your business 40:07.080 --> 40:15.400 it seems to me to be the height of insanity and there you go that's just me which I'll be using 40:15.400 --> 40:21.880 pine as our email reader yeah yeah done being there done that didn't like it very much 40:23.080 --> 40:28.200 so I don't know whose turn it is to coins but I'll comment on this one because it's really a 40:28.280 --> 40:37.160 retrospective thing can post it on this show that the play button on each show page has been moved 40:37.160 --> 40:43.720 to the top of the episode and this was the show where it was commented on bank bumblebee was asked 40:43.720 --> 40:50.280 what do you think of that the HBR stuff and she said yeah but why is it so hard to find the button 40:50.280 --> 40:57.320 and I think as you were saying earlier on that fresh insight fresh view of things is why would you put 40:57.400 --> 41:04.920 the button on your cassette player underneath it you know why would you do that so yeah so that was 41:04.920 --> 41:11.080 that was very very useful and helpful come in I think yeah I think it's one of those things where 41:11.080 --> 41:15.880 it was put up there as sort of like oh in case you're here and you want to but with the idea I think 41:15.880 --> 41:20.760 most people who worked on the slate came from it from oh I'm just you know it's going into my 41:20.760 --> 41:25.560 pod catch you know my pod catcher and you're playing it on some other through some other 41:25.560 --> 41:32.200 means so you don't even really think about the usability of the website as that's yeah that's very 41:32.200 --> 41:39.720 very true that's very true I don't use the website itself to listen to stuff but well except 41:39.720 --> 41:45.960 there we very very rarely so yeah it's easily easily done the other factor was that in the 41:45.960 --> 41:52.600 earlier days show notes were very very minimal so you'd see it treat that to the button because 41:52.600 --> 41:57.400 it would be there on the you know you wouldn't need to scroll at all to find it in many cases 41:57.400 --> 42:02.040 that was probably another reason yeah that that's probably a good reason it took so long for it 42:02.040 --> 42:06.360 you know because people are now I'd definitely even in just since I've been what I'm listening 42:06.360 --> 42:12.040 over the last well I don't know how many years now five or six or seven but the show notes have 42:12.040 --> 42:19.720 definitely improved I would say improved as a good word to describe you know in general yeah and so 42:19.720 --> 42:25.960 they've been getting pushed I guess that would push the play down the page a little bit yes yes yes 42:26.760 --> 42:36.520 anyway it's fixed now so that's that's good so next show was from east x and I think this is the 42:36.520 --> 42:42.920 show he mentioned and we're chatting about shows and stuff saying he'd recorded it a while ago 42:42.920 --> 42:49.320 but he hadn't got ran to doing the notes and all that sort of stuff yet but so yeah this is in the 42:49.320 --> 42:56.600 series what's in my toolkit or what's in my bag is it's often interpreted and it is what's in 42:57.160 --> 43:04.120 mistracks is rucksack you see he goes through the bag that he takes the work and very detailed 43:05.240 --> 43:12.040 in everything yeah absolutely absolutely he's he's got some strange and wonderful things in there 43:13.240 --> 43:20.200 I'm sure we were all guilty if it's a guilt at all I mean we could all be all find that we 43:20.200 --> 43:26.360 would make shows of a similar length if he went into our various bags I certainly would be 43:26.360 --> 43:32.360 one of those I sometimes reach in one earth is that why have I got a piece of string in the 43:32.360 --> 43:41.000 bottom of this bag in a bag well yeah and those sorts of things so I think I've probably had 43:41.000 --> 43:46.760 a rucksack which needed a bit of string to stop things coming undone or something I can't remember 43:46.760 --> 43:51.320 would be the answer to in my particular case but you know what I mean it's very easy to 43:51.800 --> 43:56.680 accumulate weird things in the bag that you're looking around all the time and yeah sometimes it 43:56.680 --> 44:03.320 becomes quite the archeological dig as you know indeed I usually find out when you know you have to 44:03.320 --> 44:07.960 move from one rucksack to the other like well I don't know I guess I don't really need to carry that 44:07.960 --> 44:16.520 around with me again yeah yeah no that is very true it's yeah I think bag I have here beside 44:17.080 --> 44:22.920 could do with a could do then completely emptied and then refilled and I think a firm 44:22.920 --> 44:30.200 ad would not return back to it yeah I would be I'd love to see showed pictures to his adds a 44:30.200 --> 44:35.960 dimension to the whole business so yeah it's good I enjoyed it I did enjoy the pictures to 44:35.960 --> 44:45.800 I'm just scrolling down to the long time but yeah no comments on this one but it's good so next 44:45.880 --> 44:54.760 we have a contribution from the Linux Logcast Podcast and this is a thing that this is Honky Magoo 44:54.760 --> 45:01.160 who I think organized this he has done this before sending in the sort of pre-show stuff that they 45:01.160 --> 45:06.920 do which they often which they record and then put on the end of their shows but y'all know he has 45:06.920 --> 45:14.200 in the past sent sent them into us and not attach them to his shows because it's a good way to have 45:14.200 --> 45:21.720 sent a show of some sort in when we're very low and that's what he's doing here so they're just 45:21.720 --> 45:29.560 generally chatting about or manner of stuff they're quite a TV movie watching and things like 45:30.200 --> 45:39.560 yeah I enjoyed this actually yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I know the show itself come 45:39.560 --> 45:48.600 me a bit like this I do listen or the rate at which they produce long shows is is overwhelming I 45:48.600 --> 45:54.360 can't give up with them so I'm way way way behind with them but yeah I enjoy what they do they they've 45:54.360 --> 46:03.000 got some some gems amongst all the other awesome songs they compile so yeah it's very cool thank you 46:03.000 --> 46:10.520 for that Honky Magoo and it looks like there's one comment from Brian and Ohio thanks thanks 46:10.520 --> 46:17.000 reminds me why I don't listen to mint cast or is that he'll yes that's the the Linux link 46:17.000 --> 46:24.200 texture okay and I think he's I don't know what he's getting at really I don't listen to mint 46:24.200 --> 46:32.920 cast anymore again too many podcasts I can't keep up till LTS tended to be incredibly long and 46:32.920 --> 46:40.200 got a bit sort of ranker us over over the years lots of you know people firing shots at each other 46:40.200 --> 46:46.200 and things so I'd stop listening to that one too but yeah yeah whatever that's a Bruno 46:46.200 --> 46:52.360 highest view okay yeah I don't think I've actually listened to to any of the this podcast myself 46:52.360 --> 46:59.400 the Linux link texture was one of the very early podcasts and as I was that come across the idea 46:59.400 --> 47:06.120 of podcasts maybe 2005 something like that got myself a little player and I read the player 47:07.000 --> 47:12.840 I was hunting around something that might be interesting and fandom and I didn't enjoy them 47:12.920 --> 47:18.040 there was a different style of things and there's different people so yeah I did listen them for 47:18.040 --> 47:25.880 fan number of years but you know things change including yourself you know so I moved into other 47:25.880 --> 47:32.040 areas yep I understand I've my podcasts have teens to good bit too since from when I 47:32.360 --> 47:42.440 started listening yes yes so the next one is another show from the new year episode six 47:43.240 --> 47:50.360 from from the collection and again another two hour episode which was which yeah good some 47:50.360 --> 47:57.000 interesting stuff again and fantastic notes as you said before it's uh you can get a lot of that just 47:57.000 --> 48:03.320 reading the notes so yeah and there's one comment from Brian and a higher interesting show 48:03.320 --> 48:08.040 edgy did I miss it or did pro podcast or ever mention the shows he does 48:08.040 --> 48:13.640 show pro podcast of possibly with Joe Ressington because he sees he I think he was making the 48:13.640 --> 48:21.080 point that he wants to make a living we said this from the start he wants to make a living being a 48:21.160 --> 48:29.560 podcaster so yeah he's got a fair number of shows now has me there's the fun to podcast has recently 48:29.560 --> 48:39.640 been resurrected under his his podcast hierarchy or something not sure I have to admit this was 48:39.640 --> 48:45.160 one I had on sort of in the background at work and so I'm not don't have a really great 48:45.160 --> 48:52.760 recollection of uh new things going on I I was my attention was going in and because I was 48:52.760 --> 48:58.440 usually one tends to listen to especially the longer podcast while doing something else I can't 48:58.440 --> 49:03.880 remember what I was doing but it was something that took my attention away from time to time so yeah 49:03.880 --> 49:10.040 yeah quite understandable but I think with Joe Ressington who has had a tradition of joining in with 49:10.040 --> 49:17.320 these things and some interesting things to say so okay so we're coming on to the last one which 49:17.320 --> 49:26.120 is using T-Max the terminal multiplexer and it's an overview for a march of 72 and he uses T-Max 49:26.120 --> 49:32.680 and restores sessions between reboots which is good yeah I this is one I'm going to have to go back 49:32.680 --> 49:41.720 and listen to again because there's a lot of quite packed amount of of information in here 49:41.720 --> 49:47.960 I don't use T-Max I still use screen there was a point few years ago where I thought well 49:47.960 --> 49:53.320 screens really old now I should have moved to T-Max shouldn't I and I looked at T-Max and said well 49:53.320 --> 49:59.080 what does it give me that that um that screen doesn't what is there that I would want that it 49:59.080 --> 50:05.240 does offer me that screen doesn't offer and the answer came back well actually very little I'm 50:05.240 --> 50:10.920 not sure I'm prepared to change however listen to this I'm going to need to review that because 50:10.920 --> 50:17.160 I didn't realize they were plug-ins for T-Max do you use it use it yourself run yeah I 50:17.160 --> 50:23.400 um I've used screen a little bit I think I've made of tried T-Max because I remember when 50:23.480 --> 50:28.440 it first came out and after a year and I've read different articles on you know the differences 50:28.440 --> 50:33.320 fleeing T-Max and screen although I don't remember any of the the particulars at this point 50:34.760 --> 50:40.520 so there's yeah there have been times when I'm like I don't want this long running job to die 50:40.520 --> 50:45.960 when my if my SSH fails so I'll fire up but I think I've used I think I ended up 50:45.960 --> 50:51.720 defaulting to screen because that was probably the first one I heard about yeah and this they will 50:51.800 --> 50:58.440 work on the basis that you have to like both work on the basis that you have to put in a prefix 50:58.440 --> 51:04.680 control layer I think it is the default followed by some character sequence which causes various 51:04.680 --> 51:10.520 things to happen like um creates a new session or splits the screen or those those types of things 51:11.240 --> 51:18.040 so once you've got that wide into your brain there's a certain reluctance to to move away from it 51:18.120 --> 51:24.600 at least in my case uh I'm a bit reluctant to drop it and start learning in order again I suppose 51:24.600 --> 51:30.840 I could reprogram T-Max to be closer to screen and I think they're pretty similar in many ways so 51:31.400 --> 51:36.360 maybe it wouldn't be such a such an issue to do but yeah I'm sure you look there's probably 51:36.360 --> 51:44.200 somebody out there that has like a blog on how to set T-Max up like screen yeah yeah and I'm tempted 51:44.200 --> 51:51.160 to uh to give it a proper try actually based on this uh I I use it to do various HCR things I 51:51.160 --> 51:59.480 blog into a remote machine and I have several sessions open screen sessions open uh I can then 51:59.480 --> 52:06.280 hop around in and do various tasks so that that's that's quite useful really use it a huge lot but uh 52:06.280 --> 52:12.600 it is quite useful to be able to come back to and find the thing in the same states as last time 52:12.600 --> 52:18.520 but if I were to run it on my desktop then the the reboot thing would be would be an issue um 52:18.520 --> 52:23.880 so it would be you know because it you've actively lose everything you can't scroll back to see 52:23.880 --> 52:28.760 what you what you you talked a bit earlier on um you could still you sort of find it in the 52:28.760 --> 52:34.360 history of course but but you can't scroll back and see I put them that type of thing so I'm just 52:34.360 --> 52:39.800 wondering if it would be quite fun to have T-Max instead so yeah good show very much appreciated 52:39.880 --> 52:48.360 yeah it was very interesting show so that's the month shows um reviewed and um we have a bunch 52:48.360 --> 52:57.800 of comments that relate to previous shows that have come up in the past month so we can 52:57.800 --> 53:06.200 we can have a quick look at those uh the first one is a comment on uh show 3819 remapping 53:06.200 --> 53:14.920 my spotins with x-bind keys on Linux by John Culp and it's a comment by Zen Flotor 2 and he says 53:14.920 --> 53:19.000 it's that John Culp again I thought for sure they banished him from the internet for playing a 53:19.000 --> 53:28.280 musical instrument he's apparently out now there you go to a good and on a comment on episode 3822 53:28.360 --> 53:35.640 a tale of wonder angst and woe by bookworm uh comment to bookworm uh a small update co-worker 53:35.640 --> 53:43.000 found this link to an article explaining the functionality of the watch and that gives a link to an 53:43.000 --> 53:51.480 article Hong Kong uses tracking wristbands for coronavirus quarantine so this is I guess in response 53:51.480 --> 53:59.080 to um how bookworms uh talking about when he went to Hong Kong and uh back to a positive 53:59.080 --> 54:06.760 for COVID and had to be quarantined yep yeah I think the previous comment was from Windigo who said 54:07.320 --> 54:13.960 the watch didn't have a huge lot of functionality itself it was more it plus the app on your phone 54:13.960 --> 54:20.760 that would that would um blow the whistle on you if you if you left uh the place you were supposed to be 54:20.760 --> 54:27.240 or something to that effect so look to this but I'm it's quite intrigued as to how it worked so 54:27.240 --> 54:32.040 I must must remember to go and look at this particular link yeah by playing on looking at it myself 54:33.160 --> 54:41.880 next one was 3823 GitLab pages for website hosting by Norist and this was a question from me from you 54:41.880 --> 54:48.440 so I'll let you do it I'm configuring an HPR site generator Rachel Norist it didn't make me revisit 54:48.840 --> 54:53.640 that config file for the generator I thought I had a section to configure where the templates folder 54:53.640 --> 55:00.360 now put folder is and there is although to be fair I've been guided it after his show uh if you look 55:00.360 --> 55:06.440 for and then it shows a portion of the code to look for there's a templates pass and an output path 55:06.440 --> 55:14.360 that you can now variables that you can now set would save you the copy step in your CI steps smiley face 55:14.840 --> 55:22.360 I good yeah yeah good stuff no I was fascinated that Norist piled in there and did some some 55:22.360 --> 55:30.760 interesting stuff in this this area very good very encouraging to be past indeed indeed so the 55:30.760 --> 55:37.880 next one is 3825 which was show from minics who's talking about creating a natural aquarium 55:38.520 --> 55:46.600 self sustaining freshwater aquarium lady he built and he comments himself it's comment three saying 55:46.600 --> 55:53.720 here's a video from peer to my peer to instance that goes into more detail about creating one of these tanks 55:53.720 --> 56:00.920 and he he points to a video I've watched nearly all of it I found it fascinating what he was 56:00.920 --> 56:06.040 doing to set up his tank I'm quite interested in the subject I doubt whether I should live a 56:06.120 --> 56:12.760 do it myself but I look finding out more about it so yeah that was that was good good good 56:12.760 --> 56:21.080 thing to to add to the show I think yeah I enjoyed that I did watch the whole video um it's definitely 56:21.080 --> 56:28.200 I mean I think you know you do it in small steps but yeah it's definitely a time that time consuming 56:28.200 --> 56:33.960 but it's definitely is something you have to give yourself to to get it set up right I think yep 56:34.120 --> 56:39.000 these low dedication I think does that that's the word I'm looking for and then we've 56:39.000 --> 56:44.040 comment from a huka brings back memories thanks for bringing back a lot of memories I used to keep a 56:44.040 --> 56:50.440 bunch of aquariums all freshwater back in the 1970s I gave it up shortly after starting in grad school 56:50.440 --> 56:55.320 because I just didn't have the time I know you might not think aquariums need so much time but it's 56:55.320 --> 57:03.720 more about how grad school hit me yeah yeah yeah well so at the point you were making wasn't that 57:03.720 --> 57:11.560 the dedication and the amount of brain power to time you have to to give to that sort of a hobby but 57:11.560 --> 57:21.000 yeah good good if you can and a final comment on the show was from minics who says hi huka no trust me 57:21.000 --> 57:26.520 I know that aquariums can be very time consuming especially the more you have things go wrong and 57:26.520 --> 57:33.000 they're never perfect that's just life glad you enjoyed it so that's all the comments done and 57:33.000 --> 57:37.960 the next thing we would normally go to would be mailing list discussions but all there is on the 57:37.960 --> 57:45.480 the mailing list is a call for shows from from Ken and me announcing recording of this show so 57:46.280 --> 57:54.440 I don't think we need to bother the LWN.net thing we're tending not to pay much attention to might be 57:54.440 --> 58:01.560 worth dropping that actually but it's it's a useful thing to look at if you're in an area where 58:01.560 --> 58:09.240 there might be some sort of event that you would want to attend but but show we need to review it 58:09.240 --> 58:17.640 in the way we were we were doing it so finally I've got a little bit of AOB material to to come in on 58:17.640 --> 58:22.760 and did you have something you were gonna you couldn't say hi run I have a yeah I just have a very 58:23.640 --> 58:30.280 update about the static website so we did actually have one new contributor Norris to added 58:31.320 --> 58:38.360 a nice link to the h and hacker I think he I can't remember I must have suggested it through the website 58:38.760 --> 58:44.520 through the repo post today I think he posted a comment somewhere I can't remember exactly where 58:44.520 --> 58:49.800 that Ken replied to and then he posted a patch and so that is now included I'm not sure if it 58:49.800 --> 58:57.080 made it into the php yet but it is up on the working in the static so that is the the biggest event 58:57.080 --> 59:03.560 for the static website yep yep but we were very close to being able to go live with the static 59:03.560 --> 59:10.280 site this my impression yeah so yeah I think we're getting close yes yeah just yeah everybody to find 59:10.280 --> 59:19.000 the time to do the last little push yes yes it's a real life life in general keeps Ken in the way 59:19.080 --> 59:24.920 in so many so many cases of things doesn't it so yeah yeah but we'll we won't promise that it 59:24.920 --> 59:30.760 will be moved ahead by the next time we we do one of these shows but it should be within the next 59:30.760 --> 59:37.160 sort of couple of months I would have imagined the the outside but don't hold me down that time spare 59:37.160 --> 59:48.200 yeah yeah yeah so the only thing I was going to say was that I won't read this whole article 59:48.280 --> 59:54.440 because I got a bit verbose with it as I was writing it came it's about Unicode characters in shows 59:54.440 --> 01:00:00.200 I'd alluded to briefly on the way and it came to light during the month that shows 01:00:00.200 --> 01:00:06.120 the Unicode characters in their title summary on notes were not being represented properly 01:00:06.120 --> 01:00:14.840 on the website I put in a definition of what Unicode is from Wikipedia and link to the video article 01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:21.480 if you're interested there's this whole lot of information to absorb there the software and the 01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:29.000 database behind the HBO website they come from a time before Unicode I'm pretty certain or at 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:36.680 least before it was very popular or implemented widely but they'd been updated to use Unicode 01:00:36.680 --> 01:00:45.400 encoding a number of years ago but I think we missed some changes as we we did this because we 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:55.480 found that in some cases the characters the non-asky characters were going into the database 01:00:55.480 --> 01:01:00.520 and being displayed from the database correctly but if you looked at it behind the scenes like 01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:06.520 grabbing the data out of the database and put it into the static site it was it was messy 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:13.640 garbled and not proper Unicode so something was was changing it and the same thing was 01:01:13.640 --> 01:01:19.960 changing it back again on the way I hope but which is quite amusing so we're currently 01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:27.240 enjoying that we've got all the changes made to the code that runs the website and also we're 01:01:27.240 --> 01:01:33.240 going to have to go through the database and fix up anything that got mangled during the 01:01:33.240 --> 01:01:39.080 era of mangling and then it will be sort of a real mention it's somewhat I doubt that 01:01:39.080 --> 01:01:45.000 there anybody's going to be overly upset about it but you know if you look if you look at 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:54.360 stuff on all HBO webpage it looks strange then you can probably just assume that we'll get it fixed 01:01:54.360 --> 01:02:03.160 in the next month or two a famous month or two timescale and we if you if it's still 01:02:03.160 --> 01:02:08.920 awful when you next look at it but further down the road then let us know and we'll follow through 01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:14.920 but I think we should be able to fix this with a too much difficulty down the road we are having 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:23.400 problems with getting Unicode into tags in audio files but something I'm working on at the moment 01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:30.280 so hope we get that solved soon so that's it and that's what we have to add unless you have 01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:36.200 something else run yep and thank you for that update on the Unicode it's one of those things 01:02:36.200 --> 01:02:40.920 I take away from running on Linux and browser like I've had so many various issues like that 01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:45.960 that I just assumed when I saw it initially that like over occasionally that it was just something 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:50.280 with my browser I didn't even think about the fact that you know it was some weirdness going on 01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:55.400 in the background with HPR so that may be part of the reason I mean obviously it hasn't 01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:59.880 caused a big sting because we haven't really got them any comments about it until maybe recently 01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:08.360 yep yep it's one of these sort of semi magical things that go on behind the scene 01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:13.880 you put weird characters in and weird characters come back out again in the same same layer as 01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:20.600 you wanted them to look and you don't actually consider much about how it all works and I 01:03:21.640 --> 01:03:29.400 maybe you the listener have no of this insert out but I don't and so the journey of finding out 01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:35.960 something about how it all works is quite quite stretching to the to the brain but it's 01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:40.200 something very interesting you've been doing a good job so far so you can keep your job 01:03:40.600 --> 01:03:51.160 okay look at a race yeah zero plus zero equals anyway that's that's us for this month and so 01:03:51.160 --> 01:03:57.720 join us again next month for another one of these recordings or listen to the show there after 01:03:57.720 --> 01:04:06.440 first Monday of every month we the shows are supposed to come out so until then goodbye and yeah 01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:19.720 and goodbye from Hacker public radio you okay thanks you have been listening to Hacker Public Radio 01:04:19.720 --> 01:04:26.040 at Hacker Public Radio does work today show was contributed by a HBR this night like yourself 01:04:26.040 --> 01:04:32.440 if you ever thought of recording podcast you click on our contribute link to find out how easy it 01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:40.920 hosting price we are has been kindly provided by an onsthost.com the 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